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Generating Questions Under Discussion with Reinforcement Learning using Ranking and Scoring for Reward and Evaluation

Paper · 2025 · Kelvin Han and Claire Gardent

Summary

The paper tackles automatic generation of Questions Under Discussion (QUD). QUD describes discourse as a chain of implicit questions: each later sentence (the answer) responds to a question raised by an earlier sentence (the anchor). Only one large annotated QUD corpus exists, DCQA, so supervised approaches are limited by data. The authors instead use reinforcement learning with GRPO, which needs a scalable reward. To get one, they first compare five reference-free ways of judging QUDs. They then introduce SCRS, a prompting scheme in which an LLM judge both scores and ranks a set of candidate questions, with structured output and reasoning. SCRS comes close to the human upper bound. Next, they distill GPT4o's judgements into a 3B reward model and use it to post-train 3B Qwen and Llama generators. The generators see no annotated questions during training, and the evaluator prompt uses only three annotated exemplars. Even so, the resulting generators beat the supervised SOTA in automatic and human evaluation. This suggests GRPO can work on tasks where judgements are graded and annotators disagree, not just on verifiable problems.

Key points

  • Three English datasets are used:
    • DCQA: 22,394 QUDs over 606 news articles, used here only for its (context, anchor, answer) tuples.
    • QE rank: built from QUDEval's 2,040 human judgements of QUDs from four systems.
    • TQ ans: used for out-of-distribution evaluation.
  • QUDs are judged on three criteria, Comp., Givn. and Relv., which are summed into a Full score. The ranking setup covers sets of 2 or 3 candidates.
  • In human evaluation (Full score):
    • Qwen G rm (3B) scored 7.53 against 5.53 for the QS baseline (7B).
    • Llama G rm (3B) scored 6.45 against 5.51 for QS (8B).
    • G rm won on every criterion except Givn. RANK (Claude Opus 4) scoring showed the same pattern.
  • The two model families behaved differently under GRPO:
    • Llama G rm produced about four times as many minimum-score QUDs as Qwen G rm.
    • Llama's reasoning tokens were more generic.
    • With the weaker RB-NLI reward, Llama training collapsed into degenerate outputs, while Qwen did not.
  • The judge's position bias was reduced by shuffling the candidate order, but not eliminated. The authors list this as a limitation.

Interesting ideas

  • I1. Turn a fuzzy quality judgement into scoring plus ranking over a group of candidates; a group ranking fits GRPO's group-relative advantage directly, and the relative preferences are more stable than absolute scores.
  • I2. Distill an expensive large-LLM judge into a small local reward model, so evaluation at training scale becomes cheap.
  • I3. Stress-test evaluators on clearly broken outputs: data-tuned classifier judges did not always give degenerate text the lowest score, which makes them unsafe as rewards.
  • I4. Model discourse as anchor-to-answer links, each labelled by the implicit question the later sentence resolves; this yields a shallow, readable structure without RST-style expertise.
  • I5. Use generated QUDs as a content plan or comprehension probe; the paper cites prior work where such questions reduced hallucination in generation.

For Mova

How these ideas could serve Mova, our small open language model — its files, stages and tests:

  • I1 (learn): Our LLM teacher tiers could rank several candidate parses or frame analyses per sentence, rather than labelling each one alone, giving graded silver preferences for training.
  • I2 (learn): A compact distilled judge could cheaply score self-play outputs or candidate repair rules, keeping the big teacher only for occasional audits.
  • I3 (learn): Every evaluator we use should be checked against negative controls, such as scrambled trees or nonsense answers, before it is trusted as a training signal.
  • I4 (world): Linking sentences in the world of a text through explicit implicit questions would give an explainable account of why each event or state is introduced, and could guide event ordering.
  • I5 (answer): Students answering fable and tale QA could generate QUD-style questions for each sentence as self-tests, and the generation stage (back) could follow them as a plan.

Our summary of the paper, in our own words — not its text. The work belongs to its authors; read it at the links above.

 Fields, topics and concepts

Cite

Cite as Kelvin Han and Claire Gardent. 2025. Generating Questions Under Discussion with Reinforcement Learning using Ranking and Scoring for Reward and Evaluation. Proceedings of the 14th International Joint Conference on Natural Language Processing and the 4th Conference of the Asia-Pacific Chapter of the Association for Computational Linguistics.

The paper itself, not this page. BibTeX from the library's record of the work. DOI 10.18653/v1/2025.findings-ijcnlp.35

@inproceedings{han2025generating,
  title = {{Generating Questions Under Discussion with Reinforcement Learning using Ranking and Scoring for Reward and Evaluation}},
  author = {Kelvin Han and Claire Gardent},
  booktitle = {Proceedings of the 14th International Joint Conference on Natural Language Processing and the 4th Conference of the Asia-Pacific Chapter of the Association for Computational Linguistics},
  year = {2025},
  doi = {10.18653/v1/2025.findings-ijcnlp.35},
  url = {https://doi.org/10.18653/v1/2025.findings-ijcnlp.35}
}

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